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guys@consolidated.net - 27 Aug 2008 20:54 GMT
Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.

In the fifth grade long before WW2 I had a good
health course. The general popuations problem
seemed to be manutration.  A cure then was
milk which was a whole food.   Now we
know more but get caught up in fads.

Presentation was not an issue then.  It
trying to get enough food to reduce hunger.

We now live in a food, sex, and vacation world.
It it working well?

Dr. Chung's  advice is very proper.  Like him or not.

The commericial world sells food and then sells
a cure for overeating. Then sells pills to placate
the disease caused by the behavior.

Be slim and trim and the other sex will take note of
you.  Just be careful where you go there.

Diabetes is a minor disease compared to some
some around today.

Too much concern with  "good eating" here.

Do not eat yourself to death.  preceded by
much misery.  

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Julie Bove - 27 Aug 2008 22:35 GMT
> Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.

It is?  I wouldn't think so since there is no one diet we all  follow.

> In the fifth grade long before WW2 I had a good
> health course. The general popuations problem
> seemed to be manutration.  A cure then was
> milk which was a whole food.   Now we
> know more but get caught up in fads.

We have ALWAYS gotten caught up in fads.  History repeats itself.

> Presentation was not an issue then.  It
> trying to get enough food to reduce hunger.

True.

> We now live in a food, sex, and vacation world.
> It it working well?

Huh?

> Dr. Chung's  advice is very proper.  Like him or not.

OMG!

> The commericial world sells food and then sells
> a cure for overeating. Then sells pills to placate
> the disease caused by the behavior.

So?  That doesn't mean  we have to buy it.

> Be slim and trim and the other sex will take note of
> you.  Just be careful where you go there.

What is it with you and sex?

> Diabetes is a minor disease compared to some
> some around today.

I don't know about that.

> Too much concern with  "good eating" here.

Huh?  We should always eat well.

> Do not eat yourself to death.  preceded by
> much misery.

Who here does that?  And why am I bothering to reply?  *sigh*
guys@consolidated.net - 27 Aug 2008 23:15 GMT
>> Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>
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>
>Who here does that?  And why am I bothering to reply?  *sigh*

Julie, just why are you replyng at all.  You must be an adult and
know what I post.  It is alway critical and negative from a senile bum

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Julie Bove - 28 Aug 2008 00:58 GMT
>>> Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>>
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> Julie, just why are you replyng at all.  You must be an adult and
> know what I post.  It is alway critical and negative from a senile bum

Why are you posting if you don't want replies?
guys@consolidated.net - 28 Aug 2008 01:21 GMT
>>>> Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>>>
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>
>Why are you posting if you don't want replies?

I love to see postings of all types. I keep a few busy and they let
others alone.  At time you are pretty good but that does not excuse
personal insults  with impunity.  This is not a place for temper fits.

My whole point is they are not proper here under any circumstances.

simply ignore posts or posters you do not like.

You know very well I will blast the medical profession and
other sacred cows.   You know very well I respect competence
and hate big braggarts.  Read accordingly.  I am not your peer in any
way.    

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Màck©® - 28 Aug 2008 03:00 GMT
>I love to see postings of all types. I keep a few busy and they let
>others alone.  At time you are pretty good but that does not excuse
>personal insults  with impunity.  This is not a place for temper fits.
>
>My whole point is they are not proper here under any circumstances.

says the guy who routinely attacks people and states thing like: "My
only purpose here is to shut people like you up."

>simply ignore posts or posters you do not like.

Show us how, practice what you preach.

>You know very well I will blast the medical profession and
>other sacred cows.  

No-one cares.  Why do you keep lying about that?

> You know very well I respect competence
>and hate big braggarts.

Not true when you praise a nutter like chung.

> Read accordingly.  I am not your peer in any
>way.    

That's obvious for reasons you don't actually understand.

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Julie Bove - 28 Aug 2008 03:16 GMT
>>>>> Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>>>>
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> and hate big braggarts.  Read accordingly.  I am not your peer in any
> way.

I guess that's a good thing then.  That you're not my peer!  :)
Robert Miles - 30 Aug 2008 05:46 GMT
[snip]

>>Why are you posting if you don't want replies?
>>
> I love to see postings of all types. I keep a few busy and they let
> others alone.  At time you are pretty good but that does not excuse
> personal insults  with impunity.  This is not a place for temper fits.

In other words, you love to see postings regardless of whether they
are relevant to diabetes?  Then try some of these newsgroups
to add to the postings you see:

sci.med.cardiology
alt.usenet.kooks
alt.support.troll-acceptance
alt.alt.spamtrap
alt.make.your.own.spam
alt.spam
fido7.ru.spam
alt.support.crossposting
msn.forums.religion.issues.crossposts
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD - 28 Aug 2008 06:33 GMT
> > Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>
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>
> OMG!

No, not GOD...

...just one of His newsboys.

Informing folks that it remains smarter to eat less, down to the right
amount is not advice but rather news that is appropriate for usenet
newsgroups:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/3558812d72ab4e17?

<><

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/117245343707310e?
Alan S - 28 Aug 2008 07:50 GMT
>Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.

Are you serious? From which source - the ADA or Bernstein?

<snip>

>Dr. Chung's  advice is very proper.  Like him or not.

Guy, you've lost me. Dr Chung is insane. In every sense of
that word. He needs professional help. And so does anyone
who considers anything he writes as good advice.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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guys@consolidated.net - 28 Aug 2008 08:07 GMT
>>Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>>
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>
>Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

There is an old joke.  A fellow had a flat outside of an insane
asylum.

He pulled off a tire but lost the lug nuts down a drain.

As he cussed an inmate looking over the fence suggested
he take one lug from the other wheels. It worked.

Then  he asked the inmate why he was there.

The inmate said "I am crazy but not stupid".

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Màck©® - 28 Aug 2008 13:24 GMT
>>>Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>>>
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>
>The inmate said "I am crazy but not stupid".

does not apply to chung, remember his advise to type 1s on how to
adjust insulin doses?  That stupidity could get someone killed.

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http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/
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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."
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Blattus Slafaly - 28 Aug 2008 16:52 GMT
> Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>
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When I was a kid, raw milk was the best for you. Rich Jersey cow milk
where half the glass bottle was risen cream. Some times you shook it
sometimes you drank just the top. emmmm good.

Everybody should eat a diabetic diet. Low fat, Low carbs, Low sugar, Low
Salt and small portions. It's the only way to live over 100.

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Alan S - 29 Aug 2008 00:51 GMT
>Everybody should eat a diabetic diet. Low fat, Low carbs, Low sugar, Low
>Salt and small portions. It's the only way to live over 100.

That's called starvation mate. Unless you are eating very
high protein to compensate for the missing fat and carbs.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Blattus Slafaly - 29 Aug 2008 13:13 GMT
>> Everybody should eat a diabetic diet. Low fat, Low carbs, Low sugar, Low
>> Salt and small portions. It's the only way to live over 100.
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People who starve a lot live longer.

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Nicky - 29 Aug 2008 13:41 GMT
>>> Everybody should eat a diabetic diet. Low fat, Low carbs, Low sugar, Low
>>> Salt and small portions. It's the only way to live over 100.
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>>
>People who starve a lot live longer.

Or at least it feels that way :P

Nicky.
T2 dx 05/04 + underactive thyroid
D&E, 100ug thyroxine
Last A1c 5.4%  BMI 25
bgl - 29 Aug 2008 15:05 GMT
>>People who starve a lot live longer.
>
> Or at least it feels that way :P

Old cartoon joke --
"Doc, if I do everything you say will I really live longer?"
"No, but it'll feel that way."
bj
Alan S - 29 Aug 2008 22:24 GMT
>>> Everybody should eat a diabetic diet. Low fat, Low carbs, Low sugar, Low
>>> Salt and small portions. It's the only way to live over 100.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>
>> Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.

>People who starve a lot live longer.

Tell that to the people in Somalia or The Sudan.

People who starve a lot die. Extremes kill, moderation
extends life.

A very minor modification to your initial statement is one I
agree with:

Everybody should eat a more sensible diet, compared to the
average person in my country. Lower fat, lower carbs, lower
sugar, lower Salt and smaller portions.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.
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terryc - 30 Aug 2008 01:11 GMT
> People who starve a lot live longer.

That study was in mice and their average, natural life is measured in
weeks. Plus, the ones they use in labs are really the end result of
specialist breeding projects, so any result is hardly bears any
relationship to reality.
Robert Miles - 30 Aug 2008 05:17 GMT
> Today it is very clear how a diabetic should eat.
>
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>
> Dr. Chung's  advice is very proper.  Like him or not.

His religious advice or the much-too-rare suitable advice
he gives about diabetes?  I'd be more willing to read his
advice about diabetes if he'd start posting only advice
about diabetes to the diabetic newsgroups, stop the
flood of messages that have nothing to do with diabetes,
and quit crossposting such messages to non-diabetic
newsgroups except when that's the best way to help a
diabetic find a diabetic newsgroup.
 
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