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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Diabetes / September 2008Hillary's a whore
She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the Democratic party for life. >She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the Democratic >party for life. Just correcting the subject line. I thought you were voting for McCain anyway? And why is whoring wrong for the wife and not the husband...? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical) http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance..) >>She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the >>Democratic [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance..) Sorry, I intended to post this to another group. I was wondering why it didn't show up there, now I know. ---- (wiping egg off my face) I supported Hillary until she lost the nomination and sold out to Obama. Now I support McCain. >>> She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the >>> Democratic [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I supported Hillary until she lost the nomination and sold out to > Obama. Now I support McCain. What could she do after she lost nomination, would look like sour grapes if she didn't support him? > >>> She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the > >>> Democratic [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > What could she do after she lost nomination, would look like sour grapes if > she didn't support him? Why are none of Hillary's supporters not bashing Biden for the same thing? After all, Biden ran for the Democratic nomination too, but he lost and now, Obama tapped him to run with him for VP. Why is Clinton a whore for supporting Obama/Biden, but Biden gets off scott free? Biden ran tried to get the nomination more times then Clinton. Both Clinton and Biden are simply being team players. They're trying to avoid another four more years of disastrous failed Bush policies. Its sad that many of Clinton's supporters really don't give a damn about this country and they would vote for McCain, who would undo the very things that Clinton hopes to accomplish in our country, and thus greatly damage her credibility if she runs for the presidential nomination again. > Clinton's supporters really don't give a damn about this country and > they would vote for McCain, who would undo the very things that Clinton You think Pillory or Oh-bummer cares more about the country than McPain? I have no idea which cares the most, but I suspect that for all of them, the good of the country can't hold a candle to getting elected.  SignatureWes Groleau ----------- "Thinking I'm dumb gives people something to feel smug about. Why should I disillusion them?" -- Charles Wallace (in _A_Wrinkle_In_Time_) Wes Groleau wrote in message ... >I have no idea which cares the most, but I suspect that >for all of them, the good of the country can't hold >a candle to getting elected. +1 Cheri > >>She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the > >>Democratic [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I supported Hillary until she lost the nomination and sold out to Obama. Now > I support McCain. Which makes no sense at all. Why did you support Hillary during the primary? Was it just because she is a woman (bad reason) or because she espoused ideas that make sense to you (good reason). If you like Hillary's ideas on how to improve the government, then voting for someone who supports those ideas (Obama) rather then a person who opposes all of them (McCain) is the logical thing to do. If you just voted for Clinton because of her anatomy, that's a terrible basis on which to cast a vote for the most important job in the world, same as it would be to vote for Obama just because of his skin color. If you love the United States, vote on issues, not a candidate's skin color, gender, or age. >> >>She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the >> >>Democratic [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > primary? Was it just because she is a woman (bad reason) or because she > espoused ideas that make sense to you (good reason). When it came down to 3 people, Hillary, McCain or Obama; I chose Hillary as the lesser of 3 evils. I now support McCain as the lesser of 2 evils. >If you like > Hillary's ideas on how to improve the government, then voting for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If you love the United States, vote on issues, not a candidate's skin > color, gender, or age. I have absolutely no faith in Obama to keep any of his campaign promises. They were lies he told to get the nomination. Also, his 20 year worshiping in the church of Rev. Wright makes him completely unacceptable to me. > I have absolutely no faith in Obama to keep any of his campaign promises. > They were lies he told to get the nomination. Also, his 20 year worshiping > in the church of Rev. Wright makes him completely unacceptable to me. I guess you find any Catholic candidates unacceptable, too, what with their shielding so so many active pedophiles in their ranks for so long, and failures to acknowledge the violence and harm done to so many children in their churches? Neither position makes sense. Belonging to a parish does not in any way imply an endorsement of the individual clergy's every word and deed. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >and failures to acknowledge the violence and harm done to so many >children in their churches? Well yeah, Joe Biden is unacceptable to me. ;-) > Well yeah, Joe Biden is unacceptable to me. ;-) But not because he's Catholic? Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Susan Yeah, that too. Seriously, I was kidding. I do know what you were saying, and I agree, it would be ridiculous to hold Obama accountable for what the good reverend said, unfortunately many will. Cheri > Yeah, that too. Seriously, I was kidding. I do know what you were > saying, and I agree, it would be ridiculous to hold Obama accountable > for what the good reverend said, unfortunately many will. Well, all IQ levels are allowed to vote. Susan > x-no-archive: yes >> Yeah, that too. Seriously, I was kidding. I do know what you were >> saying, and I agree, it would be ridiculous to hold Obama accountable >> for what the good reverend said, unfortunately many will. > Well, all IQ levels are allowed to vote. Of course, but it really is taking democracy too far to allow all IQ levels to get elected to the presidency :-) SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Of course, but it really is taking democracy too far to allow all IQ > levels to get elected to the presidency :-) LOL... Bush must've really lowered the average of all 43. Worst President Ever. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Susan Yes, I was a bit puzzled during the primaries about the idea that it was more important for the candidates to be a "regular Joe (or Jane)" than intelligent. I'm sorry, but no matter which party gets in the White House, I sure as heck don't want one of the people I've shot pool with down at the local tavern to be president. Great average Joes and Janes all, but definitely not presidential material. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 : > x-no-archive: yes : > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] : > : > Susan : Yes, I was a bit puzzled during the primaries about the idea that it was : more important for the candidates to be a "regular Joe (or Jane)" than : intelligent. I'm sorry, but no matter which party gets in the White House, : I sure as heck don't want one of the people I've shot pool with down at the : local tavern to be president. Great average Joes and Janes all, but : definitely not presidential material. but Cheney is smart and just imagne him as president:-( Wendy > : > x-no-archive: yes > : > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Wendy Scary thought. However, Cheney, would be unelectable. So they put not so bright George W. in there and Cheney makes policy anyway. While intelligence isn't the only qualification for president, it's a definitely important imho. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Of course, but it really is taking democracy too far to allow all IQ >levels to get elected to the presidency :-) Do you need to be reminded that we are a Republic, not a democracy? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ On 8/28/08 12:52 PM, in article 7f0eb4d9tftsoo0j7sntf5hjrk8q2ltguf@4ax.com, >>> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do you need to be reminded that we are a Republic, not a democracy? Can't you be both? SignatureMartha T2 Canada 1500mg. Metformin, 4mg. Avandia : >> x-no-archive: yes : > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] : >Of course, but it really is taking democracy too far to allow all IQ : >levels to get elected to the presidency :-) : Do you need to be reminded that we are a Republic, not a democracy? We are both a republic and a representative democracy. the only direct democracy is the kind you find in a New England town meeting where everyone comes togetyer to vote on town questions. We democratically elect representatives who make the laws in accordance with the Constitution. In Great Britain, they have representaative democracy, but are not a republic because they had a constitutional monarch, who inherits the role. The old soviet Union was a republic, but not necessarily a representative deomcracy as there were no chices of candidate in elections and th eParty ruled and picked all the candidates. This is all maretial that should be taught in history and government classes. Wendy >>> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Do you need to be reminded that we are a Republic, not a democracy? Heh? You are both. >> x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Of course, but it really is taking democracy too far to allow all IQ > levels to get elected to the presidency :-) . Are you sure that the IQ levels who would make good presidents are willing to be candidates? > Are you sure that the IQ levels who would make good presidents > are willing to be candidates? Some might. One of Mensa's founding principles was that only high IQ people should be in positions of power. That was back when people didn't know that IQ is a crock. SignatureWes Groleau Nobody believes a theoretical analysis -- except the guy who did it. Everybody believes an experimental analysis -- except the guy who did it. -- Unknown >> Are you sure that the IQ levels who would make good presidents >> are willing to be candidates? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That was back when people didn't know that IQ is a crock. IQ isn't a crock, it's just a measure of one thing that doesn't measure likelihood of intelligence being used well or put to good use. Susan > IQ isn't a crock, it's just a measure of one thing that doesn't measure > likelihood of intelligence being used well or put to good use. In general, it's a measure of how well one has learned a collection of things that are primarily culturally and linguistically associated. But it's not even a reliable measure of that. My IQ scores have a range of SEVEN standard deviations. My aunt's IQ scores on two tests were 50 and 75. SignatureWes Groleau ---- The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. -- Thomas Jefferson > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan Bingo! In my experience in the medical profession, I met several doctors who were incredibly intelligent (and no, not all are), but had days where their emotional IQ was more akin to a five year old. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >>> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Are you sure that the IQ levels who would make good presidents > are willing to be candidates? LOL Robert! Yes, imo, a person would have to be insane to want that job. The job is tough enough, and the campaigning is so vile that it's bound to wear good men & women down. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >>> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Are you sure that the IQ levels who would make good presidents >are willing to be candidates? Isn't a candidates possession of common sense and being level headed more important than their IQ number? SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 17:22:51 GMT, in <b59ob4lj6m05ht8r5nrb39f4rgtsb0pb94@4ax.com> Grandpa Chuck <GrandpaChuck@B4me.org> wrote: >>Are you sure that the IQ levels who would make good presidents >>are willing to be candidates? Yeah, we've done that, as a country, over the years. >Isn't a candidates possession of common sense and being level headed >more important than their IQ number? No. Why would they be *more* important, why not equally as important? SignatureDonnaB shallotpeel : ^> USA <*> 06-07-06 Diagnosis T2 HbA1c 8.1, D&E & Metformin 500mg Current ................... HbA1c 6.3 Byetta 5x2 begun 08-01-08 "When a panel of doctors was asked to vote on adding a new wing to their hospital, the podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the urologists felt the scheme wouldn't hold water." - Hospital Humor >>>>> Yeah, that too. Seriously, I was kidding. I do know what you were >>>>> saying, and I agree, it would be ridiculous to hold Obama accountable [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Isn't a candidates possession of common sense and being level headed > more important than their IQ number? Of course it is -- when the problems faced by the world and the nation are simple. The reason low IQ presidents have done so badly in recent times is that the problems they have to face are getting increasingly complicated. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >>>>>> Yeah, that too. Seriously, I was kidding. I do know what you were >>>>>> saying, and I agree, it would be ridiculous to hold Obama accountable [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >times is that the problems they have to face are getting increasingly >complicated. And Bush has allowed Cheney and Rove to lead him around by the ring in his nose. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ > I have absolutely no faith in Obama to keep any of his campaign promises. > They were lies he told to get the nomination. You have faith in McCain? If so, why? Campaign promises are sport played by *all* the parties & candidates! bj >When it came down to 3 people, Hillary, McCain or Obama; I chose Hillary as >the lesser of 3 evils. I now support McCain as the lesser of 2 evils. So we should take it that your income is over $250,000.00 per year. Is that right? After all if you make any less the Republicans could not care less about you just so long as they get your vote. >> If you love the United States, vote on issues, not a candidate's skin >> color, gender, or age. > >I have absolutely no faith in Obama to keep any of his campaign promises. >They were lies he told to get the nomination. Also, his 20 year worshiping >in the church of Rev. Wright makes him completely unacceptable to me. You are ready to judge Obama for the rantings of his former minister. Have you not heard of separation of church and state? Personally, I would like it whole lot better if none of the candidates ever answered any questions about their religious beliefs since those beliefs have no place in leading this country. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ >>When it came down to 3 people, Hillary, McCain or Obama; I chose Hillary >>as [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > You are ready to judge Obama for the rantings of his former minister. He sat there every Sunday for TWENTY YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Either he liked what he was hearing OR he is dumber that a corn cob. > Have you not heard of separation of church and state? Personally, I > would like it whole lot better if none of the candidates ever answered > any questions about their religious beliefs since those beliefs have > no place in leading this country. > He sat there every Sunday for TWENTY YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Really? Were you the attendance taker? > Either he liked what he was hearing OR he is dumber that a corn cob. My in laws attended mass EVERY SINGLE DAY. They oppose the church's stances on birth control, abortion, women in the priesthood and abhor the churches sheltering of its many pedophiles. My MIL still goes to mass every day. So, what's your point? No one would ever be able to go to any church if they had to leave every time they were offended or had a disagreement. Susan Susan wrote in message >No one would ever be able to go to any church if they had to leave every >time they were offended or had a disagreement. > >Susan That's the truth. My hubby and my children are Catholic, and they mostly feel the same way as your in-laws, but my hubby is still in church every single Sunday at 7:00 A.M... I am not. I'm just not a church goer. Cheri > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Susan I would walk out the second I heard any of the Anti-Americanism that Rev Wright dished out and I'd like to think you would too. Obama lied about the Rev Wright issue when it first came out and changed his story 2-3 times. He is unacceptable for the job of President. JMHO > I would walk out the second I heard any of the Anti-Americanism that Rev > Wright dished out and I'd like to think you would too. No, I wouldn't, especially not if the church in question did as much community good and offered as much spiritually as that one apparently did and does. I might discuss my misgivings with the pastor or with other parishoners, but if I went to church (I don't) I wouldn't abandon my church community every time something negative came up. Nor do I agree that what the reverend said was about anti Americanism; it was unwise, unhelpful and inflammatory, but it was more about the anger and disillusionment that a lot of folks who grew up in Jim Crow America still feel. > Obama lied about the Rev Wright issue when it first came out and changed his > story 2-3 times. He is unacceptable for the job of President. JMHO You haven't answered my question, though. Should my MIL stop attending the church of her entire lifetime, abandon her church community because it has so many noxious stances and skeletons in her closet, or should she take what's good from the experience, the way Obama has, and reject the rest? I see no logic in your position. What should my in laws have done? What should my MIL do now that her church is so well known to have harbored and covered up for pedophiles for so long, ignoring the harm to so many? Should my MIL leave because she's pro choice? Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > disillusionment that a lot of folks who grew up in Jim Crow America still > feel. Even Oprah Winfrey left Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church. http://www.newsweek.com/id/135392 > You haven't answered my question, though. Should my MIL stop attending > the church of her entire lifetime, abandon her church community because it [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan That would be their very personal decision. I can only say what I would do if I was Catholic; I would stay in the church and prey for the sinners. > Even Oprah Winfrey left Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church. > http://www.newsweek.com/id/135392 Believe it or not, I never ask myself WWOD before making personal decisions. :-) > That would be their very personal decision. I can only say what I would do > if I was Catholic; I would stay in the church and prey for the sinners. Well, that's what Obama did. I think it's horrible that he was forced to leave his long time church community because folks can't offer him the same grace they assume for themselves. I think we've probably covered this topic pretty exhaustively at this point, no point in taking it further. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Believe it or not, I never ask myself WWOD before making personal >decisions. :-) I am LMAO. Cheri > Believe it or not, I never ask myself WWOD before making personal > decisions. :-) I am always amazed at the people who are anxious to know WDOD: What Did Oprah Do? (And Dr. Phil, and J. Lo, and Britney, and Angelina, and Brad, and .....) yet have not a trace of interest in whether their grandparents were married. And if that weren't odd enough, they buy the National Enquirer to find out what Oprah did. SignatureWes Groleau "If it wasn't for that blasted back-hoe, a hundred of us could be working with shovels" "Yeah, and if it weren't for our shovels, a thousand of us could be working with spoons." >> Believe it or not, I never ask myself WWOD before making personal >> decisions. :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >And if that weren't odd enough, they buy the National Enquirer >to find out what Oprah did. Oprah? Oprah? Ah! I remember - that lady I used to see on the flickering screen when I visited Gran in the nursing home... What did she do that seems important? Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical) http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance..) >>> Believe it or not, I never ask myself WWOD before making personal >>> decisions. :-) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What did she do that seems important? Dunno but at my local bookstore a whole wall space near the front door is dedicated to "Oprah recommends....." She must be an avid reader :) >And if that weren't odd enough, they buy the National Enquirer >to find out what Oprah did. Only since the Weekly World News folded. A friend always picked up a copy if the cover story featured either Hitler or Elvis, which was pretty often. Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G >> And if that weren't odd enough, they buy the National Enquirer >> to find out what Oprah did. > Only since the Weekly World News folded. > A friend always picked up a copy if the cover story featured either Hitler > or Elvis, which was pretty often. I burst out laughing when I saw the one that said, "Archeology proves Genesis true! Skeletons of Adam and Eve found!" Whe the other shoppers and the cashier turned to stare at me, I pointed to the rag and said, "They knew it was them by their driver's licenses" SignatureWes Groleau Alive and Well http://freepages.religions.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau/ : >> And if that weren't odd enough, they buy the National Enquirer : >> to find out what Oprah did. : > Only since the Weekly World News folded. : > A friend always picked up a copy if the cover story featured either Hitler : > or Elvis, which was pretty often. : I burst out laughing when I saw the one that said, : "Archeology proves Genesis true! Skeletons of Adam and Eve found!" : Whe the other shoppers and the cashier turned to stare at me, : I pointed to the rag and said, "They knew it was them by their : driver's licenses" Nah, they stil had their flesh on the bones and there were no belly buttons! Wendy >> What should my in laws have done? What should my MIL do now that her >> church is so well known to have harbored and covered up for pedophiles >> for so long, ignoring the harm to so many? Should my MIL leave because >> she's pro choice? >> >> Susan > That would be their very personal decision. I can only say what I would do > if I was Catholic; I would stay in the church and prey for the sinners. I wonder if you really mean that. :-) bj bgl wrote in message ... >> That would be their very personal decision. I can only say what I would do >> if I was Catholic; I would stay in the church and prey for the sinners. > >I wonder if you really mean that. >:-) >bj :) >>> What should my in laws have done? What should my MIL do now that her >>> church is so well known to have harbored and covered up for pedophiles [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >:-) >bj Every church or similar organization have all kinds of people. The Marianist's at the University of Dayton helped me greatly. t Recently, the Baptist and other Protestants have been a great aid in my old age. A a teen a "Jew"was a great mentor to me. So there are good in all religions from my view. The problem is those that try to use religion to their selfish causes. I do not think religion is an issue in this election. When I was first working in a factory and having a hard time, a blackman carried part of my load. I worked for a Chinese nuclear expert (US type) and he was one of the best. Many others. The problem in my view is the fixed minded type that follow politicans like sheep. I could have lived with most of the candidates in the 2008 fray. It is about a very few that have a "for sale" sign on them. ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- >> That would be their very personal decision. I can only say what I would do >> if I was Catholic; I would stay in the church and prey for the sinners. > >I wonder if you really mean that. >:-) >bj So do I. I thought preying on sinners was a job for the fire-breathing guy with the horns from the opposition. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical) http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance..) >>> That would be their very personal decision. I can only say what I would >>> do [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I thought preying on sinners was a job for the > fire-breathing guy with the horns from the opposition. You mean Hellboy? > Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. > -- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ > http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance..) >> x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Even Oprah Winfrey left Rev. Jeremiah Wright's church. >http://www.newsweek.com/id/135392 Now THERE'S a ringing endorsement! SignatureLarry, T2, Saskatchewan, Canada. DX 24 Aug 07. D&E Metformin 2000mg, Ramipril, Simvastatin Dx A1c 8.1 : Latest 5.1 (3 Jun 08) - 3rd successive 5.1 > That would be their very personal decision. I can only say what I would do > if I was Catholic; I would stay in the church and prey for the sinners. You sure you wouldn't stay in the church and prey on the sinners? Interesting anti-Obama article: http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/sowell032608.php3 Wonder whether any of it is true.... SignatureWes Groleau "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity. But I'm not so sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein > > x-no-archive: yes > > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I would walk out the second I heard any of the Anti-Americanism that Rev > Wright dished out and I'd like to think you would too. Its a lot of bullshit that Rev. Wright is anti-American. Some people have posted little snippets of his sermons on youtube, but they were taken way out of context. You can't judge what a man says in a one hour sermon by listening to only a few seconds of it. In the clips on youtube, he was complaining against other preachers who expressed anti-American views, not siding with them. You are believing the crap the Rove swift boat machine wants you to believe in. > Obama lied about the Rev Wright issue when it first came out and changed his > story 2-3 times. He is unacceptable for the job of President. JMHO Yawn. I would be much more impressed if he had the balls to say he didn't believe in religion at all. Its all a fantasy. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > No one would ever be able to go to any church if they had to leave every > time they were offended or had a disagreement. Hell, I have a dear friend who's a black Methodist minister and even she doesn't believe all of her church's teachings. She plans to vote for Obama. What I would love to see is a serious presidential candidate stand up and say he doesn't believe in the fantasy known as religion. Suffice it to say, I am not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. > Hell, I have a dear friend who's a black Methodist minister and even she > doesn't believe all of her church's teachings. She plans to vote for > Obama. What I would love to see is a serious presidential candidate > stand up and say he doesn't believe in the fantasy known as religion. > Suffice it to say, I am not holding my breath waiting for that to happen. One step at a time! So far in the US you've only had white men as presidents, and even then you've shot quite a few of them. It'll be quite a while before a black female atheist lesbian can make a serious stab at getting elected. SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] >> Hell, I have a dear friend who's a black Methodist minister and even she >> doesn't believe all of her church's teachings. She plans to vote for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > quite a while before a black female atheist lesbian can make a serious > stab at getting elected. Have you had anyone but white men, except Maggie Thatcher? (Not a challenge--just a curiousity question.) Queens don't count. ;-) SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >> One step at a time! So far in the US you've only had white men as >> presidents, and even then you've shot quite a few of them. It'll be [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Have you had anyone but white men, except Maggie Thatcher? (Not a >challenge--just a curiousity question.) Queens don't count. ;-) You're correct, Maggie was the only female Prime Minister, but he said "as Presidents"; the UK or England has had many unelected female heads of state, right back to Boudicca. All were fairly warlike as I recall:-) As were lots of other female leaders - Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi, Benazir Bhutto come to mind. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical) http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance..) >> Hell, I have a dear friend who's a black Methodist minister and even she >> doesn't believe all of her church's teachings. She plans to vote for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >quite a while before a black female atheist lesbian can make a serious >stab at getting elected. What a concept! I love it! SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ >>> Hell, I have a dear friend who's a black Methodist minister and >>> even she doesn't believe all of her church's teachings. She plans [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > What a concept! I love it! But she must be diabetic :) >>>When it came down to 3 people, Hillary, McCain or Obama; I chose Hillary >>>as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >He sat there every Sunday for TWENTY YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How on earth would you KNOW he was there every Sunday, especially after becoming a senator? >Either he liked what he was hearing OR he is dumber that a corn cob. If you go to church have you always believed every single word the pastor said? If so, you were the one that was "dumber than a corn cob." SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ >>Either he liked what he was hearing OR he is dumber that a corn cob. > > If you go to church have you always believed every single word the > pastor said? If so, you were the one that was "dumber than a corn > cob." If (anon) goes to church (every week?) does he actually listen to every word the pastor says? :-) bj >>>Either he liked what he was hearing OR he is dumber that a corn cob. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >the pastor says? :-) >bj If he does he is a fool. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ >>>>Either he liked what he was hearing OR he is dumber that a corn cob. >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >If he does he is a fool. Only if he believes every word said. SignatureMåck©® Deltec CoZmore Pumper Type 1 since 1975 http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org http://www.diabetic-talk.org http://www.insulin-pumpers.org http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/type1and2/ http://www.pandora.com enter "Jason & Demarco" http://www.ratbags.com/dechunging/ "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ...Theodore Roosevelt (o ô) --ooO-(_)-Ooo-------------------- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." ....Bilbo Baggins DISCLAIMER If you find a posting or message from me offensive, inappropriate, or disruptive, please ignore it. If you don't know how to ignore a posting, complain to me and I will be only too happy to demonstrate... . >>> >>She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the >>> >>Democratic [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > They were lies he told to get the nomination. Also, his 20 year worshiping > in the church of Rev. Wright makes him completely unacceptable to me. The color of Obama and Wright's skin is likely more upsetting to you than anything that may have been said or done in their church. I think you are attempting to use religion to hide your bigotry. >>>>>> She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the >>>>>> Democratic [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > I think you are attempting to use religion to hide your bigotry. I think you are assuming Lynn. anon comes from a multicultural family, I wouldn't be ready to put the racist tag on him even if I were more sure of my feelings about his alleged racism. >>> She sold herself body and sole to Obama. I done with her and the >>> Democratic [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I supported Hillary until she lost the nomination and sold out to Obama. Now > I support McCain. That's because you are a moron and want 4 more years of Bush. SignatureBlattus Slafaly ? 3 :) 7/8 >I supported Hillary until she lost the nomination and sold out to Obama. Now >I support McCain. Why not admit you are a racist who doesn't really give a damn what the candidates stand for. McCain will be another Bush, except he will probably be worse. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Grandpa Chuck wrote in message >Why not admit you are a racist who doesn't really give a damn what the >candidates stand for. McCain will be another Bush, except he will >probably be worse. You don't have to be a racist to not think Obama is the best person for the job. I get really tired of hearing that sound bite too. If I said you're a reverse racist because you're not voting for McCain because he's white, and are only voting for Obama because he is black, would it be true? I think not. Cheri >Grandpa Chuck wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Cheri My reasons for being against McCain are too many to list here. The short list included that he is a clone of G.W.Bush. His advanced age considering the fact that Nancy Reagan was the acting president after Ronnie's Alzheimer's became advance. Every single television spot he has put out about Obama has been filled with lies. I could go on.......... SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ >>Grandpa Chuck wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My reasons for being against McCain are too many to list here. > The short list included that he is a clone of G.W.Bush. That is not true, McCain opposed Bush more than any other Republican. > His advanced age considering the fact that Nancy Reagan was the acting > president after Ronnie's Alzheimer's became advance. Age discrimination?? That makes you a bigot. > Every single television spot he has put out about Obama has been > filled with lies. I feel just the opposite, every single TV spot Obama put out was a lie. > I could go on.......... > That is not true, McCain opposed Bush more than any other Republican. So what? He voted with Bush more than 90% of the time. Most important, he supports Bush's economic policies and international and military policies. > Age discrimination?? That makes you a bigot. Yes, I agree. > I feel just the opposite, every single TV spot Obama put out was a lie. Cite them, please? Susan >>>Grandpa Chuck wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >That is not true, McCain opposed Bush more than any other Republican. Then why has he voted in favor of 95% of Bush supported bills? >> His advanced age considering the fact that Nancy Reagan was the acting >> president after Ronnie's Alzheimer's became advance. > >Age discrimination?? That makes you a bigot. Really? I am not that much younger than him. But after what happened with Reagan we don't need a war mongering hawk like John Mc Cane. >> Every single television spot he has put out about Obama has been >> filled with lies. > >I feel just the opposite, every single TV spot Obama put out was a lie. Not that I have seen. >> I could go on.......... > SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ >> His advanced age considering the fact that Nancy Reagan was the acting >> president after Ronnie's Alzheimer's became advance. > >Age discrimination?? That makes you a bigot. Er, no, it doesn't. The rest of the world was rather nervous as Reagan's affliction became more apparent. To us, the fact that something was wrong was apparent long before the end of his second term. The cold war was still on, and this was the man with the power to make it hot. That is not ageism, that is the same common sense that required my mother to re-do her driver's license test at 80 and every year after she turns 85. You only see your local press and media. Here, we see local news but also many European reports (BBC, German News in English, Italian etc) as well as CNBC, Fox, CBS, CNN etc. McCain will be 72 tomorrow, born August 29, 1936. If he is elected and re-elected, he will be 80 when the succeeding President is inaugurated. I'll stay out of your party politics, but be assured that the rest of the world is nervous about that aspect. Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia. -- d&e, metformin 1500mg, ezetrol 10mg Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter. http://loraldiabetes.blogspot.com (Be Smart, Be Skeptical) http://www.flickr.com/photos/alan_s/ http://loraltravel.blogspot.com (Two Indian Hotels: to Sleep, Perchance..) Grandpa Chuck wrote in message ... >>You don't have to be a racist to not think Obama is the best person >>for the job. I get really tired of hearing that sound bite too. If I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >filled with lies. >I could go on.......... Exactly. Your reasons for not voting for McCain have nothing to do with his color, and a whole lot of people who might not vote for Obama, aren't not voting for him because of his color either. There is nothing racist about not like somebody policies. There are even some Hillary supporters who said they will vote for McCain (though I personally find that hard to believe) but that doesn't make them racist at all. Cheri >Grandpa Chuck wrote in message ... > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Cheri Cheri you haven't gotten honest answers from those opposed to Barak. If you can get them to tell you the real reason why then they will show their bigotry. I have seen it way, way too often. SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Grandpa Chuck wrote in message ... >Cheri you haven't gotten honest answers from those opposed to Barak. >If you can get them to tell you the real reason why then they will >show their bigotry. I have seen it way, way too often. >-- >Grandpa Chuck >-ô¿ô- Chuck, that is just nonsense. What will you say about conservative blacks that aren't voting for Obama? What was the *real* reason that people opposed to John Kerry didn't vote for him? Was it his skin color, or do you think it was something equally ridiculous like swift boat? True conservatives will not vote for a democrat no matter what color his skin is, and true liberals will not vote for a republican no matter what color his skin is...period. Cheri > Chuck, that is just nonsense. What will you say about conservative > blacks that aren't voting for Obama? What was the *real* reason that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > color his skin is, and true liberals will not vote for a republican no > matter what color his skin is...period. Cheri, true conservatives, rather than idealogical moralizers, never would've elected Bush. *I* have much more in common with the tenets of true conservatism than Bush does! Under Bush, conservatism has come to mean jingoism, moralism, runaway spending, expansion of gov't as its performance tanks and no one is accountable. True conservatism requires fiscal and other kinds of accountability, not just a hate list. Susan >Cheri, true conservatives, rather than idealogical moralizers, never >would've elected Bush. *I* have much more in common with the tenets of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Susan OK, change that to true Republicans. They do not vote for Democrats and vice versa. They vote the party. Cheri > OK, change that to true Republicans. They do not vote for Democrats > and vice versa. They vote the party. I guess that cuts out the need to actually think about and evaluate the important issues in any campaign. Susan >x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Susan LOL, I have relatives that wouldn't have voted out of the party if you held their hands to the fire. I have voted for both parties in my lifetime, and one independent, but there are a couple of older relatives that I don't ever even say that to, just to avoid strokes and things like that. :-) Cheri >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheri Yep. I've voted for both Democrats and Republicans. Actually, I'm looking for candidates who are moderate with some common sense. And while I could nitpick both candidates, I actually feel that both McCain and Obama are more moderate, willing to work with people from the *other* party, have more integrity than*most* recent presidential nominees. (Yes, as Wes pointed out, getting elected is job number one, but that's the best system we've got, although it has it's flaws too). I do happen to agree with one set of policies more than the other, however, at least whatever happens on election night I won't fear that we have Daffy Duck at the helm, the way I have for the last 8 years. SignatureBest regards, Michelle C., T2 diet & exercise BMI 21.5 >>>x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > happens on election night I won't fear that we have Daffy Duck at the > helm, the way I have for the last 8 years. >>x-no-archive: yes >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheri My parents never told me what if any party they belonged to. They were both schoolteachers, and considered it good for their continued employment to avoid letting any candidate know that they didn't vote for him or her. They almost always went to vote, though. I don't know what my Dad was but my Mom was a liberal...My twin brother has always been a conservative...Boy were there big discussions in our household when Barry Goldwater ran for President...LOL. He wrote to me the other day and said John McCain was to liberal for him...:) >>>x-no-archive: yes >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > employment to avoid letting any candidate know that they didn't > vote for him or her. They almost always went to vote, though. > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I guess that cuts out the need to actually think about and evaluate the > important issues in any campaign. Agreed. > I guess that cuts out the need to actually think about and evaluate the > important issues in any campaign. Yep. That's why Chuck's tirades get so tiring. Forget the issues--you fail to praise his guy, then you're a bigot, a homophobe, a sexist, and a warmonger, who should be dipped in honey and staked to a fire ant nest. Same goes if you are so deluded as to think Bush's evil is only 99.99% SignatureWes Groleau I've noticed lately that the paranoid fear of computers becoming intelligent and taking over the world has almost entirely disappeared from the common culture. Near as I can tell, this coincides with the release of MS-DOS. -- Larry DeLuca > Yep. That's why Chuck's tirades get so tiring. > Forget the issues--you fail to praise his guy, then [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Same goes if you are so deluded as to think > Bush's evil is only 99.99% Yeah, I think it's 100%, though. But I'm with you; it's very rare in all the years that I've posted here that he slips out of my kill file, and it's never for very long. Susan >> I guess that cuts out the need to actually think about and evaluate the >> important issues in any campaign. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >warmonger, who should be dipped in honey and >staked to a fire ant nest. Excuse me, but I did not play the racist card until anon made it clear that he is one. >Same goes if you are so deluded as to think >Bush's evil is only 99.99% SignatureGrandpa Chuck -ô¿ô- ~ Grandpa Chuck wrote in message >Excuse me, but I did not play the racist card until anon made it clear >that he is one. Sorry, he never made that clear at all, and never once indicated that he is. You are too quick to label people who don't agree with you, which causes you to lose credibility IMO. Politics aside, I'm glad you and Laurie survived the floods without losing most of your things. Cheri > Sorry, he never made that clear at all, and never once indicated that > he is. You are too quick to label people who don't agree with you, > which causes you to lose credibility IMO. Politics aside, I'm glad you > and Laurie survived the floods without losing most of your things. You're way too kind, Cheri. ;-) Chuck's the biggest bigot here, against anyone who doesn't hate who he hates. Anon has expressed no racist attitudes at all, though he does seem to really, REALLY hate liberals. Obama and Clinton have virtually identical views and policies, so to support one and not the other is kind of absurd; Clinton is NO WAY more like McCain than Obama. But I do go on... Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Susan I was going to get out of this thread but only one more time. I don't hate liberals, I dislike "extremist liberals". Barack Obama is the most liberal senator in the US Senate. Google it if you don't believe me. He recently pretended to move to the center to get elected, it is all a lie; he is still an extremist liberal. (IMHO) http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/ > I was going to get out of this thread but only one more time. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is still an extremist liberal. (IMHO) > http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/ Can you please enumerate for me what you see as his big divergence from Hillary, who you claim to have supported? And why "liberal" is such an issue for you? FTR, I'm left of liberal, but have more in common, fiscally, for instance, than Dubya does, with traditional conservatives. I don't have a party allegiance. I agree with Phil Ochs' observation years ago: "A liberal is a person who is 10 degrees to the left of center in the best of times, and 10 degrees to the right of center when it affects him personally." Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Can you please enumerate for me what you see as his big divergence from > Hillary, who you claim to have supported? I originally made my decision based on Obama's verses Hillary's voting records. I was a moderate Democrat and so was Hillary while Obama was the most liberal Senator in the Senate in 2007. I now consider myself a moderate Republican. I consider most of Obama's campaign promises as either unachievable or outright lies. > And why "liberal" is such an issue for you? I blame extremists, both left and right, for most of what is wrong with the country today. To be acceptable to me, a candidate must be a moderate. > FTR, I'm left of liberal, but have more in common, fiscally, for instance, > than Dubya does, with traditional conservatives. I don't have a party [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is 10 degrees to the left of center in the best of times, and 10 degrees > to the right of center when it affects him personally." I would consider that to be a definition of a moderate. When a person is 180 degrees left or right of center; they are extremists and equally repulsive. > Susan I'm sorry for posting in this thread again after I said I wouldn't. anon aka > I would consider that to be a definition of a moderate. When a person is 180 > degrees left or right of center; they are extremists and equally repulsive. > >>Susan > > I'm sorry for posting in this thread again after I said I wouldn't. Well, now that you've characterized me as "repulsive," I'm sorry I bothered trying to have a reasonable conversation with you. Susan > x-no-archive: yes > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Susan I really don't believe you are a left wing extremist. Here are some qualities of a left wing extremist. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/3/3/154210/4569 >>> I would consider that to be a definition of a moderate. When a person is >>> 180 degrees left or right of center; they are extremists and equally >>> repulsive. >>> I'm sorry for posting in this thread again after I said I wouldn't. >> Well, now that you've characterized me as "repulsive," I'm sorry I >> bothered trying to have a reasonable conversation with you. > I really don't believe you are a left wing extremist. Here are some > qualities of a left wing extremist. > http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/3/3/154210/4569 But that's a right wing list of left wing qualities... SignatureChris Malcolm cam@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205 IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/] |
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