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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2008Pancreatitis from Gardasil NOT coincidental
Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 Recently a letter was printed in the Medical Journal of Australia reporting on three women vaccinated with Gardasil who got pancreatitis. Naturally, Merck came out with their usual "correlation does not causation make." I'd suggest that Merck pull back and do a bit more thinking before opening their mouth. Because if they've done there homework, they will see that Gardasil has been proven to cause pancreatitis right here. Not once, but three times. And why is it, after 10 months that they don't know whether the woman is dead or alive? Or are they hoping this will just go away? How many other women will get seriously sick before Merck get real, and start taking the avalanche of very nasty side effects seriously? http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_bpost_1598/Pancreatitis_from_Gardasil_NOT_coi ncidental > Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 An anti-vax loon who has no idea what VAERS is all about. Just like you. > Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > Recently a letter was printed in the Medical Journal of Australia [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > avalanche of very nasty side effects seriously? > http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_bpost_1598/Pancreatitis_from_Gardasil_NOT_coi ncidental >> Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > >An anti-vax loon who has no idea what VAERS is all about. She once launched into an attack on me on the British Medical Journal's web site, but she was too scared by the powerful magic to use my name. I believe she was defending a child slaughterer at the time. >Just like you.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > Recently a letter was printed in the Medical Journal of Australia [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > avalanche of very nasty side effects seriously? > http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_bpost_1598/Pancreatitis_from_Gardasil_NOT_coi ncidental >>> Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > use my name. I believe she was defending a child slaughterer at the > time. Expert witness so I would imagine she knows more about VAERS than you. You never proved he killed his child, they agreed as he was let go > >>> Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Expert witness so I would imagine she knows more about VAERS than you. You > never proved he killed his child, they agreed as he was let go JohnBoy, VAERS website says it is not proof of anything. JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:-Yadnc8yCJltLSjVnZ2dnUVZ8sLinZ2d@bt.com... > Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > Recently a letter was printed in the Medical Journal of Australia [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > their > mouth. > Because if they've done there homework, they will see that Gardasil has > been [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > avalanche of very nasty side effects seriously? > http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_bpost_1598/Pancreatitis_from_Garda... >>>> Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Expert witness so I would imagine she knows more about VAERS than you. You >never proved he killed his child, they agreed as he was let go I assume you are talking about Alan Yurko, not some other child killer that Butler might have been an expert witness for. Yurko pleaded nolo contendere to a charge of manslaughter. That means he effectively admitted killing the child. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > I assume you are talking about Alan Yurko, not some other child killer > that Butler might have been an expert witness for. Yurko pleaded nolo > contendere to a charge of manslaughter. That means he effectively > admitted killing the child. If he was done for manslaughter why do you call him a murderer? > > I assume you are talking about Alan Yurko, not some other child killer > > that Butler might have been an expert witness for. Yurko pleaded nolo > > contendere to a charge of manslaughter. That means he effectively > > admitted killing the child. > > If he was done for manslaughter why do you call him a murderer? Manslaughter means killing someone else. And someone who kills someone else is a murderer. Jeff On Aug 30, 10:00 am, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote: > "Peter Bowditch" <myfirstn...@ratbags.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > If he was done for manslaughter why do you call him a murderer? Manslaughter means killing someone else. And someone who kills someone else is a murderer. Jeff bollocks. so every car death is a murder? moron > On Aug 30, 10:00 am, "JOHN" <j...@nospam.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > moron Nice personal attack. No, but in this case, the name fits. He was convicted of manslaughter because he abused the child resulting in her death. Jeff No, but in this case, the name fits. He was convicted of manslaughter because he abused the child resulting in her death. Jeff manslaughter isn't murder, end of story bit rich for you lot to call anyone a child murderer given vaccines are the biggest cause of child death, and you love to hide that under names such as SBS, cot-deaths MSBP etc and we know Meadows put one lady in jail when he knew the vaccines did it http://www.whale.to/a/roy_meadow.html First you kill the baby with vaccines, and he knew that, then you accuse the mother of murder and throw her in jail to save vaccination--which killed her in the end. So a pretty fine case of child abuse and death, and then manslaugher of the mother, no wonder you like to accuse parents of murder ;0) > bit rich for you lot to call anyone a child murderer given vaccines are the > biggest cause of child death, and you love to hide that under names such as > SBS, cot-deaths MSBP etc Yeah, all of those auto wrecks are just done as a cover up. (We've been down this road before -- Scudamore just can't deal with the actual facts.) | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ >> I assume you are talking about Alan Yurko, not some other child killer >> that Butler might have been an expert witness for. Yurko pleaded nolo >> contendere to a charge of manslaughter. That means he effectively >> admitted killing the child. > >If he was done for manslaughter why do you call him a murderer? Did I call him a murderer in this thread? Ever since he was convicted of manslaughter I have punctiliously referred to him as a slaughterer. After all, when he was charged with that offence he threw up his hands and pleaded nolo contendere, which loosely translates from Latin as "I can't argue with that". How is he doing these days, John? Did all those friends who supported him while he was in prison keep in touch after he was released? You know, after he was no further use as a martyr. At least one of those erstwhile friends, Sheri Nakken, told me that he was discarded as he was no longer useful to her. How about you? SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > Did I call him a murderer in this thread? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > erstwhile friends, Sheri Nakken, told me that he was discarded as he > was no longer useful to her. How about you? Yes, you called him a murderer. Slaughterer is a term for animal killers in abbatoirs. Just a case of deflecting attention from the real baby killer--vaccination, and your culpability in defending a baby killer par excellence part of your denial mechanism >> Did I call him a murderer in this thread? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Just a case of deflecting attention from the real baby killer--vaccination, >and your culpability in defending a baby killer par excellence So let me get this straight: Yurko was asked if he was responsible for the child's death and he, in effect, said 'yes I am, I killed the child'. And you still want to use his case as an example of how vaccines kill? What also confuses me is that if vaccines kill, how can they cause autism? I know that being alive is not officially in the list of symptoms for autism, but it is sort of assumed as a necessary condition in order to even be autistic. >part of your denial mechanism >> Did I call him a murderer in this thread? >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Yes, you called him a murderer. No, I did not. > Slaughterer is a term for animal killers in >abbatoirs. At least the animals killed in abattoirs are killed humanely. You don't find broken ribs and blood in the eyes. >Just a case of deflecting attention from the real baby killer--vaccination, >and your culpability in defending a baby killer par excellence > >part of your denial mechanism SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > > I assume you are talking about Alan Yurko, not some other child killer > > that Butler might have been an expert witness for. Yurko pleaded nolo > > contendere to a charge of manslaughter. That means he effectively > > admitted killing the child. > > If he was done for manslaughter why do you call him a murderer? Because it was a plea deal. The fact is, he murdered the kid. Alan Yurko is not the subject. Just another diversion. >Alan Yurko is not the subject. Just another diversion. Tell that to John. O, I forgot - you never say that to anyone with whom you agree, even if such agreement is based on nothing except malice towards others. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com Alan Yurko is not the subject. Just another diversion. >> I assume you are talking about Alan Yurko, not some other child killer >> that Butler might have been an expert witness for. Yurko pleaded nolo >> contendere to a charge of manslaughter. That means he effectively >> admitted killing the child. > > If he was done for manslaughter why do you call him a murderer? John, are you telling us that legal determinations are, across the board, the One And Only Final Truth on MHA? That you accept a Court judgment as final and beyond question? I eagerly await your answer, as mine depends on yours. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ > Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > Recently a letter was printed in the Medical Journal of Australia [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > avalanche of very nasty side effects seriously? > http://www.beyondconformity.co.nz/_bpost_1598/Pancreatitis_from_Gardasil_NOT_coi ncidental > > Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > > An anti-vax loon who has no idea what VAERS is all about. > > Just like you. We shall consider you, for obvious reasons, THE expert on loons. Citizen Jimserac > > > Hilary Butler - Wednesday, August 27, 2008 > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > We shall consider you, for obvious reasons, > THE expert on loons. I do find a lot of them. Alt-med and anti-vac are target rich environments. Look how easily I found you. > On Aug 29, 6:20 pm, CitizenJimserac<Jimse...@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I do find a lot of them. Alt-med and anti-vac are target rich > environments. Look how easily I found you. It's good that you finally have an area of expertise in ... something! Citizen Jimserac > Because if they've done there homework, they will see that Gardasil has been > proven to cause pancreatitis right here. Not once, but three times. And > why is it, after 10 months that they don't know whether the woman is dead or > alive? Or are they hoping this will just go away? How many other women > will get seriously sick before Merck get real, and start taking the > avalanche of very nasty side effects seriously? They don't even know that this is three women and not just one, as it happens. In fact, they don't even know that the woman referred to exists. That rather does make follow-up difficult, but it's pretty much built into the whole "anyone can report anything" bit. Including the chap who reported that Gardsil turned his daughter into Wonder Woman (not Lynda Carter; I went to school with her. Talk about an airhead!) | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ |
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