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Medical Forum / General / Alternative / September 2008Four cops cleared in Carol Gotbaum death
The announcement didn't come as a surprise to Gotbaum family lawyer Michael Manning. "We never believed that the officers intentionally killed her," he said. "From what we know ... they may have been grossly negligent in how they treated her. But they certainly were not acting criminally." http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2008/08/21/2008-08-21_four_cops_cleared _in_gotbaum_death-2.html More news ... http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=gotbaum&btnG=Search+News "Carol Anne Gotbaum, 45, was on her way to an alcohol-rehab center in Tucson when she missed a connecting flight. She began acting out and struggled with cops." ~ New York Post http://www.nypost.com/seven/08222008/news/nationalnews/gotbaum_cops_off_the_hook _125562.htm Not acting out; likely, under severe stress, and said she was sick. > "Carol Anne Gotbaum, 45, was on her way to an alcohol-rehab center in > Tucson when she missed a connecting flight. She began acting out and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not acting out; likely, under severe stress, and said she was sick. I don't have this aching need inside of me to blame someone for this tragedy... but I find it EXTREMELY disturbing when I actually KNOW that someone at Homeland Security is getting away with murder. Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > "Carol Anne Gotbaum, 45, was on her way to an alcohol-rehab center in > Tucson when she missed a connecting flight. She began acting out and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Not acting out; likely, under severe stress, and said she was sick. Combative is the term. Probably had a case of the DT's. > > "Carol Anne Gotbaum, 45, was on her way to an alcohol-rehab center in > > Tucson when she missed a connecting flight. She began acting out and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Combative is the term. Probably had a case of the DT's. If you ever get the chance to watch Michael Caine speak out about the time he was detained as a possible terrorist because he fit Homeland Security's terrorist profile... then you might be able to understand how and why ANY woman traveling ALONE could have easily become overwhelmed with fear and anxiety when her attempt to reach a SAFE HAVEN in an unfamiliar environment was intentionally thwarted by a sadistic EVIL bastard. Sometime in the near future you're going to find out just how easy it is to COVERTLY f.ck with (harass) people... for whatever reasons. Think neurological warfare... something capable of creating AGITATED STATES. And I can't believe just how IGNORANT some people actually are... that they have yet to realize that 9/11 laid the groundwork for legalizing government-sponsored terrorism. On Aug 23, 9:48 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > "Carol Anne Gotbaum, 45, was on her way to an alcohol-rehab center in > > > Tucson when she missed a connecting flight. She began acting out and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > are... that they have yet to realize that 9/11 laid the groundwork for > legalizing government-sponsored terrorism. ------------------------------------------- Oh Poleezzzzzz. This is nothing new for God's sake. Years ago (way before 9/11) I had a friend (female, BTW) who flew from Utah to San Diego to escort her ill (but ambulatory) brother on yet another flight to a hospital in Des Moines, Iowa. Then she flew back to Utah; all in one day. When she deplaned she was detained, searched and questioned about the purpose of her hop-scotching travel that day. Why? Because she fit the M.O. of a drug mule. No checked baggage and all that touch and go travel in one day. It made logical sense as to why she'd be looked up as suspicious. Being a clear headed, non-paranoid citizen, she understood that authorities were doing their job and she had no reason to fear, kick, scream or otherwise 'act out'. In fact she she was released, she thanked them for helping to keep control drug trafficking. She's enjoyed sharing that story with people for years !!! Myself, I was stopped late one night by the police. I was cooperative, my passengers were cooperative and the police officer walked all around my car and then told me I could go. He said that they were looking for a red car with out of state plates that had been involved in a hit and run. Well, my car was red and had out of state plates but obviously had not been in any accident. I didn't feel 'targeted', hassled, or 'f'ed with'. So Alison, I suggest you watch tons of comedy movies in the future. And hopefully get over this delusion that "sadistic EVIL bastards' are awaiting to intentionally thwart "ANY WOMAN" traveling alone. Oh, yes and don't travel if you are high on drugs or in deep alcohol withdrawals either. It tends to make women act less than civilized. > On Aug 23, 9:48 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > and don't travel if you are high on drugs or in deep alcohol > withdrawals either. It tends to make women act less than civilized. Let personal experience be your guide... however limited. > On Aug 23, 9:48 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > thanked them for helping to keep control drug trafficking. She's > enjoyed sharing that story with people for years !!! I'm looking forward to that "once-in-a-lifetime" job interview that requires you to fly across the country and then catch a returning flight the same day... although, that would be highly unlikely considering the state of the airlines these days and their ability to f.ck up anyone's plans at DHS's request. I will especially be looking forward to when you miss that connecting flight because some a.shole thinks you fit some cock-a-mamie terrorist profile. We'll see if you can convince your job interviewer to give you another opportunity to sell yourself. Say-la-vie, baby... seeya on skidrow. > Myself, I was stopped late one night by the police. I was > cooperative, my passengers were cooperative and the police officer [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > - Show quoted text - * On Aug 23, 11:58 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm looking forward to that "once-in-a-lifetime" job interview that > requires you to fly across the country and then catch a returning [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > can convince your job interviewer to give you another opportunity to > sell yourself. Say-la-vie, baby... seeya on skidrow. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Have you ever heard of the term 'borrowing trouble'? Act like an adult. Don't go ballistic IF there is a flight delay. It's wild animals on the loose that get nets tossed over them to protect people around them from harm. > The announcement didn't come as a surprise to Gotbaum family lawyer > Michael Manning. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > More news ...http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=gotbaum&btnG=Search... Not familiar with the name. Is she a runner? Maybe one of the ones who keeled over in last years Chicago marathon? Otherwise I don't understand the relevance here in this newsgroup. > The announcement didn't come as a surprise to Gotbaum family lawyer > Michael Manning. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > More news ...http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=gotbaum&btnG=Search... The system protects its own, as usual, the same as happened with Amadou Diallo , Patrick Dorismond, Dwain Lee (shot 4 times in the back), Mario Paz, William J. Whitfield, Alberto Sepulveda, Anibal Carrasquillo (an 11-year-old shot in the back), Donald Scott, or the hundreds of other innocent people killed by cops. > The system protects its own, as usual, the same as happened with > Amadou Diallo , Patrick Dorismond, Dwain Lee (shot 4 times in the > back), Mario Paz, William J. Whitfield, Alberto Sepulveda, Anibal > Carrasquillo (an 11-year-old shot in the back), Donald Scott, or the > hundreds of other innocent people killed by cops. In this instance, the worst that the police were accused of was not keeping her under close surveillance. On the other hand, if they *had* kept her under close surveillance there would have been other complaints. | The brighter the stupid burns, the more | | chance that someone will see the light. | +- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> -+ > > The announcement didn't come as a surprise to Gotbaum family lawyer > > Michael Manning. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Carrasquillo (an 11-year-old shot in the back), Donald Scott, or the > hundreds of other innocent people killed by cops. The civil SERVANTS manning the desks in the County Attorney's office cannot "clear" anyone, only a jury empaneled in a Court of Law can. On Aug 23, 10:00 am, RGrannus <RGran...@hotmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 22, 12:48 pm, Twittering One <mournenwo...@aol.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Carrasquillo (an 11-year-old shot in the back), Donald Scott, or the > hundreds of other innocent people killed by cops. The civil SERVANTS manning the desks in the County Attorney's office cannot "clear" anyone, only a jury empaneled in a Court of Law can. =============================================== Wrong Dragon breath. There are several other ways as well. How lucky you are -- so far -- to not thusfar be in circumstances beyond your control. Get raped. Explore the feelings. More news ...http://news.google.com/news? hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=gotbaum&btnG=Search... > How lucky you are -- so far -- to not thusfar be in circumstances > beyond your control. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > More news ...http://news.google.com/news? > hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=gotbaum&btnG=Search... I will assume you were addressing me? Are you meaning that being detained for acting out in a very bizzare and disruptive manner in public area is on the same level as 'getting raped'???? > > How lucky you are -- so far -- to not thusfar be in circumstances > > beyond your control. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > and disruptive manner in public area is on the same level as 'getting > raped'???? Yes... especially if you missed your flight connection and your once- in-a-life-time chance/opportunity to enter a chemical dependency facility geared to save lives was lost... because some f.cking a.shole with a bug up his/her a.s wanted to toy around with you. There's a long line waiting to get into these treatment centers. A missed flight connection that could result in a 24 hour delay would be enough for you to lose your bed/slot and your ONLY chance to enter the facility. I'm going to bet someone knew where she was going... knew that she had been drinking... and decided to f.ck with her emotional instability... thus resulting in her death. As far as I'm concerned the cocksucker is guilty of MURDER... plain and simple. On Aug 25, 5:51 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > How lucky you are -- so far -- to not thusfar be in circumstances > > > beyond your control. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh great! Now you think it was some kind of a conspiracy, out to kill her. Lovely. Where does 'personal responsibility' come into play? Or has our society totally turned into 'who I am and what I do is always someone else's fault' ??? Her autopsy revealed a blood/alcohol level of 0.24%. That is falling- down drunk, and that alone would have gotten her booted off a flight. Being an 'unruly' falling-down drunk is even more obnoxious in public. In addition, her blood tested positive for citalopram, an antidepressant, and duloxetine (used for Major Depressive Disorder), and she also had a cough-suppressant and antihistamines in her system, as well as ibuprofen. I'm surprised she didn't die from respiratory failure from that suicidal 'cocktail'. The woman clearly needed to dry out in a detox facility (probably tied down and screaming), before she went to any treatment program. > On Aug 25, 5:51 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > her. > Lovely. I don't think... I KNOW. > Where does 'personal responsibility' come into play? Or has our > society totally turned into 'who I am and what I do is always someone > else's fault' ??? What about the 'personal responsibility' of the individual tracking her movements who likes playing MIND GAMES with women in general? > Her autopsy revealed a blood/alcohol level of 0.24%. That is falling- > down drunk, and that alone would have gotten her booted off a flight. > Being an 'unruly' falling-down drunk is even more obnoxious in > public. She was on a 'personal' life-saving MISSION. Get it? She was being unruly because some ANONYMOUS a.shole operating from 'behind the scenes' just managed to sabotage her 'personal' life-saving MISSION. So...the sooner you realize that DHS's ability to instigate an incident with this SPECIFIC woman was politically motivated... the sooner we can wrap this case up and prosecute the cocksucker responsible for abusing his authority. Comprende? > In addition, her blood tested positive for citalopram, an > antidepressant, and duloxetine (used for Major Depressive Disorder), [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The woman clearly needed to dry out in a detox facility (probably tied > down and screaming), before she went to any treatment program.- Hide quoted text - She was heading for f.cking detox when she was intercepted, you unbelieveable idiot. Nobody is going to listen to someone who has been labeled as a drunk. And believe me, a sober witness can be a THREAT... to somebody. So wise up... because somebody looking over her shoulder didn't want that to happen. > - Show quoted text - On Aug 26, 9:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Aug 25, 5:51 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > > > - Show quoted text - IIRC, she was trying to board her flight late because she was in the bar drinking. Blaming her behavior on the fact that she was going to miss the chance to "save her life" doesn't explain the thousands of drunk people who act like this on college campuses because their friend wants to go home, or the bartender cut them off, or the girl wouldn't dance with them. Bottom line, her death is tragic, but the chain of events began because she reacted in a manner that many drunk people react in when they are denied something. To expect any security agency to determine correctly who is a threat and who isn't based on the story they tell is absolute insanity. And you apparently have absolutely no experience with AA, NA, or any of the other recovery-based programs, which prize accepting responsibility for your mistakes above all other tenets. By continuing to make her a helpless victim, you de-humanize her. > On Aug 26, 9:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 93 lines] > tenets. By continuing to make her a helpless victim, you de-humanize > her. Yeah well you gotta get into the program first before you can learn to take responsibily... eh, a.shole? On Aug 26, 9:32 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Aug 26, 9:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > Yeah well you gotta get into the program first before you can learn to > take responsibily... eh, a.shole? R-E-S-P-O-N-S-I-B-I-L-I-T-Y On Aug 26, 8:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Aug 25, 5:51 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > What about the 'personal responsibility' of the individual tracking > her movements who likes playing MIND GAMES with women in general? **** How does anyone play MIND GAMEs with a drunk also zoned out on pills? The drunk is incoherant to begin with....duh. > > Her autopsy revealed a blood/alcohol level of 0.24%. That is falling- > > down drunk, and that alone would have gotten her booted off a flight. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > unruly because some ANONYMOUS a.shole operating from 'behind the > scenes' just managed to sabotage her 'personal' life-saving MISSION. **** 'Personal' life-saving MISSION? Sorry, but a 0.24% drunk is a 0.24% drunk and has absolutely no business on an airplane, let alone out in public. > So...the sooner you realize that DHS's ability to instigate an > incident with this SPECIFIC woman was politically motivated... the > sooner we can wrap this case up and prosecute the cocksucker > responsible for abusing his authority. Comprende? **** I believe your thinking is skewed about her being 'politically picked on'. BTW - no one is going to be prosecuted, did you not read about it in the news? > > In addition, her blood tested positive for citalopram, an > > antidepressant, and duloxetine (used for Major Depressive Disorder), [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > The woman clearly needed to dry out in a detox facility (probably tied > > down and screaming), before she went to any treatment program.- Hide quoted text - > She was heading for f.cking detox when she was intercepted, you > unbelieveable idiot. Nobody is going to listen to someone who has been > labeled as a drunk. And believe me, a sober witness can be a THREAT... > to somebody. So wise up... because somebody looking over her shoulder > didn't want that to happen. **** A lot of drunk drivers tell the cop that stops them that they were going to start treatment the next day. Tough. A drunk and high on drugs, is a drunk and high on drugs. Irresponsible people still get to be responsible for their behavior, no matter what "personal life- saving MISSION" they are on. Don't tell me there was no detox facility available right where she lived. > On Aug 26, 8:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > saving MISSION" they are on. Don't tell me there was no detox > facility available right where she lived. Clearly ur grabbing sh.t right outta ur azz. She was a PASSENGER on a plane. She wasn't DRIVING anywhere. Besides... WTF are you to decide where she should be entering a recovery program? People go out of state to facilities that suit their personal needs and belief systems ALL THE TIME. My own stepfather went 900 miles out of state to enter a recovery program even though we had one right here in town... and another excellent facility just 100 miles away. So FOAD you argumentative SLUT. On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > On Aug 26, 8:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Do you eat with that mouth ??? > On Aug 26, 3:41 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > Do you eat with that mouth ??? Yep... and I hope you find it as offensive as I find your blatant argumentative ignorance. > On Aug 26, 8:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > saving MISSION" they are on. Don't tell me there was no detox > facility available right where she lived. One thing you all are forgetting. Anyone can get skunk drunk ON the airplane. > > On Aug 26, 8:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 106 lines] > One thing you all are forgetting. Anyone can get skunk drunk ON the > airplane. I just watched a tape where the officers were exonerated. Something else that needs mentioning... When traveling with a medical condition, the airline should be notified beforehand. I have my medical condition listed on my driver's license. I chose to do this because of past experiences with the ANONYMOUS a.shole. Had anything happened to me during MY missed connection in Phoenix that very same day... my family would now be multi-millionaires and the ANONYMOUS a.shole at DHS with too much time on his murderous hands would now have a boot permanently stuck up his a.s with no job prospects in sight. On Aug 27, 3:49 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On Aug 27, 3:49 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > "Coleah" <col...@pacifier.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Okay, so are you sayin that being a drunk who's mixing it with several RX's and OTC drugs is being someone with a 'medical condition' who should warn the airline beforehand (as a responsible citizen) so that the airline can choose whether or not they wish to accommodate such a 'medical condition'? What medical condition do you have on your drivers license? > On Aug 27, 3:49 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 133 lines] > the airline can choose whether or not they wish to accommodate such a > 'medical condition'? Nope. Being a drunk was never even mentioned. That's your words. As far as being a 'responsible citizen' is concerned... blame it on the stigma/criminality attached to being drug and alcohol dependent. Nobody criticizes someone for having a seizure disorder or diabetes, but they sure don't cut any slack for someone who needs alcohol or drugs to feel normal. > What medical condition do you have on your drivers license? If you're really that interested, I'm sure you've got connections. Use them and find out. >Nobody criticizes someone for having a seizure disorder or diabetes, >but they sure don't cut any slack for someone who needs alcohol or >drugs to feel normal. I've got diabetes and I couldn't give a flying f.ck for anyone who claims that they "need alcohol or drugs to feel normal". Diabetes is not a choice - substance dependence is.  SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >Nobody criticizes someone for having a seizure disorder or diabetes, > >but they sure don't cut any slack for someone who needs alcohol or [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > claims that they "need alcohol or drugs to feel normal". Diabetes is > not a choice - substance dependence is. And I'm sure there's somebody out there who could give a f.ck less about you and your diabetes. Perhaps changing your diet and eating less would solve YOUR problem. So contrary to your statement... diabetes can also be a choice. > -- > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 > The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles > Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> >Nobody criticizes someone for having a seizure disorder or diabetes, >> >but they sure don't cut any slack for someone who needs alcohol or [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >less would solve YOUR problem. So contrary to your statement... >diabetes can also be a choice. Can it? You know how to regrow a pancreas to cure T1 diabetes? Addicts deserve no sympathy. It's their choice and their (ir)responsibility. Or in your case, your choice and your (ir)responsibility. Are you addicted to alcohol or drugs? If so, you can FOAD any time you like and I won't give a backward glance. Just don't die on my doorstep and leave me the job of taking out the garbage. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >> >Nobody criticizes someone for having a seizure disorder or diabetes, > >> >but they sure don't cut any slack for someone who needs alcohol or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Can it? You know how to regrow a pancreas to cure T1 diabetes? I said 'CAN also be a choice'... but you CHOSE to ignore that part of my response. > Addicts deserve no sympathy. It's their choice and their > (ir)responsibility. Or in your case, your choice and your > (ir)responsibility. Were you born with T1 diabetes? What environmental factor CAUSED your T1 diabetes? > Are you addicted to alcohol or drugs? If so, you can FOAD any time you > like and I won't give a backward glance. Just don't die on my doorstep [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com On Aug 28, 7:45 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> >Nobody criticizes someone for having a seizure disorder or diabetes, > > >> >but they sure don't cut any slack for someone who needs alcohol or [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > like and I won't give a backward glance. Just don't die on my doorstep > > and leave me the job of taking out the garbage. I was addicted to nicotine. Another drug my government promoted because ADDICTION worked for them tax-wise. Those must have been your diabetic needles I found on the back doorstep of my apartment building back in 1982, eh? Oink oink! > > -- > > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 > > The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles > > Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au > > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com On alt.true-crime, Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:19:36 -0700 (PDT), Re: Four cops cleared in Carol Gotbaum death, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silvermanx@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Aug 28, 7:45 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >I was addicted to nicotine. Another drug my government promoted >because ADDICTION worked for them tax-wise. You've got Nicotine Addiction down on your driver licence? Gee, you do have an over inflated sense of your own importance. >Those must have been your diabetic needles I found on the back >doorstep of my apartment building back in 1982, eh? Oink oink! Get a good price for them? How do you happen to know the difference between the needles junkies and diabetics use? How about dialysis and sheep needles? > On alt.true-crime, Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:19:36 -0700 (PDT), Re: > Four cops cleared in Carol Gotbaum death, Alison MacIntyre [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > You've got Nicotine Addiction down on your driver licence? > Gee, you do have an over inflated sense of your own importance. Gee... now that you mention it... Keith Richards is a registered heroine addict... so actually I don't see why nicotine couldn't/ shouldn't also be registered... except for the fact that it's been legalized for tax revenue purposes... and that would be somewhat hypocritical of our government to force someone to register, wouldn't it? And and the fact that non-smokers typically pay cheaper car insurance premiums... which would obviously deter most people from truthfully acknowledging an addiction to nicotine on their driver's license in the first place, don't you think? So anyway, the answer to your question is NO... but thanks for playing. > >Those must have been your diabetic needles I found on the back > >doorstep of my apartment building back in 1982, eh? Oink oink! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > junkies and diabetics use? > How about dialysis and sheep needles? Why don't you ask the a.shole who left them there... and why he felt the need to draw attention to himself and his personal agenda? Perhaps the local addiction counsellor was lobbying for funds. Who the f.ck knows. > Addicts deserve no sympathy. It's their choice and their > (ir)responsibility. Or in your case, your choice and your > (ir)responsibility. Peter, you are one of the good guys. However, once in a while you post something that makes me wonder what on earth you were thinking. That was one of them. I'd say that addicts deserve some sympathy once they decide that they wish to stop being addicts. Adrian. (P.S. See you at the Skeptics Convention. I should get around to registering soon.) >> Addicts deserve no sympathy. It's their choice and their >> (ir)responsibility. Or in your case, your choice and your [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I'd say that addicts deserve some sympathy once they decide that they >wish to stop being addicts. I agree. Once an addict makes a conscientious decision to dry out they should receive all the support possible. However, it appears that in this case I am dealing with someone who believes that addicts don't need to take any responsibility because the addiction is someone else's fault and nothing can be done about it. When that person started to defend this position by equating voluntarily acquired and maintained addiction with a chronic autoimmune disease I felt that it was time to drop my usual polite persona. As the person has now taken to replying to herself with fantasies about diabetics discarding insulin needles in public more than a quarter of a century ago I might have to resume my normal politeness because my mother taught me to avoid mocking the mentally impaired. >Adrian. (P.S. See you at the Skeptics Convention. I should get around >to registering soon.) It's pencilled in my diary, but family matters could prevent me from going so I won't know until almost the last moment. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >> Addicts deserve no sympathy. It's their choice and their > >> (ir)responsibility. Or in your case, your choice and your [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > politeness because my mother taught me to avoid mocking the mentally > impaired. Total bullshit. You sound like someone guity of what I'm actually BITCHING about. Of course someone like yourself needs to justify his terrorist behavior by dumping responsibility for his TERRORIST behavior all on his victim. Kinda like the rapist saying the victim asked for it, eh? > >Adrian. (P.S. See you at the Skeptics Convention. I should get around > >to registering soon.) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >> Addicts deserve no sympathy. It's their choice and their > > >> (ir)responsibility. Or in your case, your choice and your [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > behavior all on his victim. Kinda like the rapist saying the victim > asked for it, eh? G-U-I-L-T-Y > > >Adrian. (P.S. See you at the Skeptics Convention. I should get around > > >to registering soon.) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com- >On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >G-U-I-L-T-Y Responding to yourself - a sure sign of a loon. Perhaps all the drugs you took addled whatever brain you might have had to start with. Have you considered an overdose? Please try to do it somewhere which won't cause too much inconvenience to the janitorial staff. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > it somewhere which won't cause too much inconvenience to the > janitorial staff. Whatever... ya flippin' TEA BAG. > -- > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > >On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Responding to yourself - a sure sign of a loon. Just correcting my own typographical error... so the nitpickers don't have to do it for me. > Perhaps all the drugs you took addled whatever brain you might have > had to start with. Have you considered an overdose? Please try to do [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > >On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > it somewhere which won't cause too much inconvenience to the > janitorial staff. There ya go again you delusional quack... ASS-uming. > -- > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >> >On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> >> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >There ya go again you delusional quack... ASS-uming. That's the third time you've responded to the same message. You should be taking your OCD meds instead of whatever it is you are sticking up your nose or arm. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com > >> >On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > >> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > be taking your OCD meds instead of whatever it is you are sticking up > your nose or arm. Ooooo he can count to three. I'm impressed. The only thing that goes up my nose is my finger... when I wanna ferret out a crusty old bugger... similar to yourself. > -- > Peter Bowditch aa #2243 > The Millenium Projecthttp://www.ratbags.com/rsoles > Australian Council Against Health Fraudhttp://www.acahf.org.au > Australian Skepticshttp://www.skeptics.com.au > To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com >> >> >On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> >> >> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >up my nose is my finger... when I wanna ferret out a crusty old >bugger... similar to yourself. Let me guess - when I click "Next" I will see you replying to yourself. Again. You really are funny. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com On alt.true-crime, Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:22:44 GMT, Re: Four cops cleared in Carol Gotbaum death, Peter Bowditch <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote: >>On Aug 28, 3:35 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >it somewhere which won't cause too much inconvenience to the >janitorial staff. It sounds more to me like she HASN'T taken her medication. I mean that in no disparaging way. I have to to take large amounts of Efexor and Seroquel each day to appear to be normal. > On alt.true-crime, Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:22:44 GMT, Re: Four cops > cleared in Carol Gotbaum death, Peter Bowditch [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > I have to to take large amounts of Efexor and Seroquel each day > to appear to be normal. What would happen if you quit cold turkey? On alt.true-crime, Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:07:50 -0700 (PDT), Re: Four cops cleared in Carol Gotbaum death, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silvermanx@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On alt.true-crime, Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:22:44 GMT, Re: Four cops >> cleared in Carol Gotbaum death, Peter Bowditch [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >What would happen if you quit cold turkey? I'd probably die, if not from the side effects then from my own hand. >> >> Addicts deserve no sympathy. It's their choice and their >> >> (ir)responsibility. Or in your case, your choice and your [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >behavior all on his victim. Kinda like the rapist saying the victim >asked for it, eh? You're funny. And, yes, you asked for that. SignaturePeter Bowditch aa #2243 The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au Australian Skeptics http://www.skeptics.com.au To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com On Aug 26, 9:31 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: When traveling with a medical condition, the airline should be notified beforehand. I have my medical condition listed on my driver's license. I chose to do this because of past experiences with the ANONYMOUS a.shole. Had anything happened to me during MY missed connection in Phoenix that very same day... my family would now be multi-millionaires and the ANONYMOUS a.shole at DHS with too much time on his murderous hands would now have a boot permanently stuck up his a.s with no job prospects in sight. ================================================= How can anyone in North Dakota be anonymous? Idiot > On Aug 26, 9:31 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > When traveling with a medical condition, the airline should be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Idiot Dear Idiot... FYI the ANONYMOUS a.shole isn't located in North Dakota. I'm not dealing with a pissant at state level. This individual has ACCESS to ALL central dispatch centers. This individual is crossing borders... and has the power to dictate his/her authority within each state? Not many people fit into that heirarchy. On Aug 27, 10:40 pm, "Frank" <dawgf...@ten.hut> wrote: > "Alison MacIntyre" <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Idiot Dear Idiot... FYI the ANONYMOUS a.shole isn't located in North Dakota. I'm not dealing with a pissant at state level. This individual has ACCESS to ALL central dispatch centers. This individual is crossing borders... and has the power to dictate his/her authority within each state? Not many people fit into that heirarchy. =================================================== Well I am very sorry that you have such a psycho problem. Since very few can fit into that category it is easy to ferret out the one responsible. but then paranoia will present boogey men behind every tree and bush no matter how small they are. Your self indulgence and narcissism has blown your ego way out of proportion for anyone who lives in ND. Stay away from Peyote. > > On Aug 26, 8:57 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Bet me. People can not bring their own alcohol on board; and flight attendants DO keep track of alcohol purchased and DO cut people off in flight. [ ] Vulgarity removed. > On Aug 25, 5:51 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > In addition, her blood tested positive for citalopram, an > antidepressant, and duloxetine (used for Major Depressive Disorder), > and she also had a cough-suppressant and antihistamines in her system, > as well as ibuprofen. I'm surprised she didn't die from respiratory > failure from that suicidal 'cocktail'. Antihistamines and iboprofen both cause reduced clearance via kidnies; CYMBALTA causes reduces clearance via liver. The poor victim had a bad biologic feelback loop in her body: NOTING WOULD LEAVE IT. > The woman clearly needed to dry out in a detox facility (probably tied > down and screaming), before she went to any treatment program. GOOD POINT: She needed detoxing from the prescribed and OTC medications. Alcohol was likely a minor issue in itself. > > On Aug 25, 5:51 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > - Show quoted text - And POLICE need education on safe handling of victims such as Ms Gotbaum, who certainly had THE PRESENCE OF MIND to tell police she was "sick." > On Aug 26, 12:49 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > > - Show quoted text - And POLICE need education on safe handling of victims such as Ms Gotbaum, who certainly had THE PRESENCE OF MIND to tell police she was "sick." AND? They put her out of harm of others. > > On Aug 25, 5:51 pm, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > GOOD POINT: She needed detoxing from the prescribed and OTC > medications. Alcohol was likely a minor issue in itself. Detox is what ALL patients go through when they first enter a program. They don't go through detox in order to be accepted into a program. On Aug 27, 10:37 am, Twittering One <mournenwo...@aol.com> wrote: > On Aug 26, 12:49 am, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > GOOD POINT: She needed detoxing from the prescribed and OTC > medications. Alcohol was likely a minor issue in itself. <>Detox is what ALL patients go through when they first enter a program. <>They don't go through detox in order to be accepted into a program. Her family killed her. No ifs ands or buts. On Aug 23, 10:48 am, Alison MacIntyre <chattan_silverm...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 22, 5:36 pm, Coleah <col...@pacifier.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > HAVEN in an unfamiliar environment was intentionally thwarted by a > sadistic EVIL bastard. Do you have a link to that? I've searched the Internet and have found nothing about that, so far. > Sometime in the near future you're going to find out just how easy it > is to COVERTLY f.ck with (harass) people... for whatever reasons. > Think neurological warfare... something capable of creating AGITATED > STATES. And I can't believe just how IGNORANT some people actually > are... that they have yet to realize that 9/11 laid the groundwork for > legalizing government-sponsored terrorism. |
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